[RCD] Current 1.3-git completely broken/unusable (eben w/o any plugins)

[Michael Heydekamp]

Hello,

see subject. Just login/logout, you'll see it yourself instantly. Please
test your stuff before committing it. Can't access anything, interface is
broken, etc. pp.

Urgent fix appreciated.

Win10/64, FF (but same with Edge).

Cheers,

[Michael Heydekamp]

Post by Michael Heydekamp
see subject. Just login/logout, you'll see it yourself instantly. Please
test your stuff before committing it. Can't access anything, interface is
broken, etc. pp.
Urgent fix appreciated.
Win10/64, FF (but same with Edge).
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Wenn Sie dies sehen, haben Sie sich wahrscheinlich vor dem Verlassen der
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Nun ist eine menschliche Interaktion erforderlich, um fortzusetzen.
Bitte kontaktieren Sie Ihren Server-Administrator.

Cheers,

[A.L.E.C]

Post by Michael Heydekamp
ANFORDERUNGSPRÜFUNG FEHLGESCHLAGEN

Works for me.

[Daniel Rauer]

Please calm down and re-think before posting. Current development branch
is not meant to be used for production. Use a stable release and
re-think your position, this is a community-driven project.

Daniel

Post by Michael Heydekamp
Hello,
see subject. Just login/logout, you'll see it yourself instantly. Please
test your stuff before committing it. Can't access anything, interface is
broken, etc. pp.
Urgent fix appreciated.
Win10/64, FF (but same with Edge).
Cheers,

[c***@xs4all.nl]

If this is such a problem for you that it needs an urgent fix, please stop using the git development branch. Just use a stable branch.

If you insist, at your own perit, in using a development branch, then please keep any reports constructive.

Cor

[Michael Heydekamp]

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
If this is such a problem for you that it needs an urgent fix, please stop
using the git development branch. Just use a stable branch.
Dear subscribers, we wish you all a happy new year!
Today we published the beta release of the next major version 1.3 of
Roundcube webmail.
[..]
We're keen to hear your feedback about the new release.
Best,
Thomas & Alec

If feedback is requested for a specific version, I have to use this version,
right? If I shall not use it, then I can't give any feedback.

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
If you insist, at your own perit, in using a development branch, then please
keep any reports constructive.

How more constructive than "completely broken/unusable" can I be if that is
the case...? It's simply dysfunctional, can't access almost anything.

And there are still reasons why to use 1.3-beta, as in the so-called
"stable" version some things do still not work which do/did work in the beta
for a long time already.

Cheers

[c***@xs4all.nl]

Hi Michael,

Post by Michael Heydekamp

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
Dear subscribers, we wish you all a happy new year!
Today we published the beta release of the next major version 1.3 of
Roundcube webmail.
[..]
We're keen to hear your feedback about the new release.
Best,
Thomas & Alec

If feedback is requested for a specific version, I have to use this version,
right? If I shall not use it, then I can't give any feedback.

They tagged a version for that, https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/tree/1.3-beta <https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/tree/1.3-beta>

Post by Michael Heydekamp

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
If you insist, at your own perit, in using a development branch, then please
keep any reports constructive.

How more constructive than "completely broken/unusable" can I be if that is
the case...? It's simply dysfunctional, can't access almost anything.
And there are still reasons why to use 1.3-beta, as in the so-called
"stable" version some things do still not work which do/did work in the beta
for a long time already.

There is a difference between a tagged beta, and git master. Git master may get ‘completely broken/unusable’ code pushed, for instance because they want to save work in progress and dont want to risk losing it when their laptop gets stolen. Whatever, there may be all kinds of reasons.

I found your comments a bit aggressive. Words like "completely broken/unusable”, “Please test your stuff before committing”, "Urgent fix appreciated”. Nothing about git-master is urgent. It is the current head of the development branch and should be treated as very risky. Now, you’re more than welcome to run it, but then accept the fact that it may be broken at times. That’s the nature of the beast.

Cor

[Michael Heydekamp]

Post by c***@xs4all.nl

Post by Michael Heydekamp
If feedback is requested for a specific version, I have to use this version,
right? If I shall not use it, then I can't give any feedback.

They tagged a version for that, https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/tree/1.3-beta

I'm aware of that. There are two major reasons why I've been using
git-master (for many years already, BTW):

1) I can report new invented bugs/glitches/regressions instantly (before
they make it to the next (beta) release). And we had such cases in the past.

2) OTOH, I can benefit from any bug fixes and improvements instantly.

I thought that both reasons would make sense. But that would imply that any
current stage of the code is usable in the way that mails can at least be
read and responded to.

This was the very first time that the "beast" (your words) didn't do
anything at all anymore.

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
I found your comments a bit aggressive. Words like "completely
broken/unusable", "Please test your stuff before committing", "Urgent fix
appreciated".

Sorry, they were not meant to be aggressive. But I was just about to send
some very urgent business mails, and all of a sudden nothing did work
anymore. This was more a bit of hectic and nervousness on my part, and I
didn't have the time to send a more "fine tuned" message.

@all: Apologies, if somebody should have felt offended.

We'll be installing the 1.3-beta over the weekend and see if this will work.
Probably there may also be a problem at our end.

Cheers,

[A.L.E.C]

Post by Michael Heydekamp
We'll be installing the 1.3-beta over the weekend and see if this will work.
Probably there may also be a problem at our end.

See this
https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/commit/8efd2003aad7a063f1ce8322bf028e50edec1500

[Michael Heydekamp]

Post by Michael Heydekamp
We'll be installing the 1.3-beta over the weekend and see if this will work.

We decided not to do that, but to install the "frozen" 1.3-beta instead (as
suggested e.g. by Cor).

Post by Michael Heydekamp
Today we published the BETA RELEASE of the next major version 1.3 of Roundcube webmail.
[...]
We're keen to hear your feedback about the new RELEASE.

OK, as you were asking for it:

Well, it works at least (which means that you can read and compose e-mails),
but after just 20-30 minutes of using it, I did instantly stumble across the
following glitches/issues/bugs. And I must admit that it's a bit hard to
believe that a) these glitches can make it to a "RELEASE" (even if beta) at
all, and that b) nobody did report them yet. Am I the only one using/testing
this stuff...? Anyway, here we go:

1) Just moving the mouse cursor up and down through the list of messages
makes a "wandering star" appear in the "marked" column which is vertically
moving parallel to the mouse cursor (the arrow below represents the mouse
cursor, but it doesnt matter in which column the mouse cursor is placed):

II have no clue what the purpose of this "wandering star" is, but I don't
think it's deliberate.

2) The HTML editor is all of a sudden lacking of the faclity to create
(numbered or unnumbered) lists. This is what I'm seeing in 1.3 beta release:

And this is what I'm seeing in 1.2.3 stable release:

The two items in the red rectangle are missing in 1.3. Therefore, I'm not
using a list in this message (which I would have done normally).

3) In 1.3 beta release, I'm not able to subscribe/unsubscribe any folders
anymore, as the appropriate checkboxes are simply not displayed.
Interestingly, this does apply to my company account only, while it's
working with my private account. See the following comparison (I did of
course hide the names of my customers):

I can move the splitter of the case in the middle as far to the right as I
can, the checkboxes still refuse to show up. My impression is that Roundcube
is trying to automatically widen the column according to the length of the
folder names - probably some sort of miscalculation here...?

4) In the changelog [1] of 1.3, I did find this: _"Added Search button in
quick search menus (#5312 [2])"_
I'm not seeing any such added search button - where would I have to look for
it...?

5) We have a problem with monospaced fonts, but this I'll report in detail
in a later message.

Given these problems with 1.3 after just a short time of usage, we might be
going back to 1.2.3 altogether (i.e. even in our beta installation) and stop
testing/reporting. I could live very well with those glitches for a short
time till they've been fixed, but then we would have to install 1.3-git
again to be able to benefit from any possible fixes. But as we've been told
that the git version may not work at all from time to time, this is not an
option anymore.

Cheers,

[A.L.E.C]

Post by Michael Heydekamp
1) Just moving the mouse cursor up and down through the list of messages
makes a "wandering star" appear in the "marked" column which is
vertically moving parallel to the mouse cursor (the arrow below
represents the mouse cursor, but it doesnt matter in which column the

That's not a bug. The icon is "mark as flagged" button.

Post by Michael Heydekamp
2) The HTML editor is all of a sudden lacking of the faclity to create

That's not an intentional change. The buttons have been lost with update
to newer TinyMCE version. Something to look at.

Post by Michael Heydekamp
3) In 1.3 beta release, I'm not able to subscribe/unsubscribe any
folders anymore, as the appropriate checkboxes are simply not displayed.

Works for me. Did you try with different browser? Maybe some plugins are
not compatible with 1.3?

Post by Michael Heydekamp
4) In the changelog
<https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/wiki/Changelog> of 1.3, I
did find this: /"Added Search button in quick search menus (#5312
<https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/issues/5312>)"/
I'm not seeing any such added search button - where would I have to look
for it...?

Indeed, the button was added in Larry skin only. Classic is in
maintenance mode and will be probably removed in 1.4.

Thanks for reporting.

[c***@xs4all.nl]

Post by A.L.E.C
Indeed, the button was added in Larry skin only. Classic is in
maintenance mode and will be probably removed in 1.4.

I hope there is an alternative voor mobile at that time. Classic is the only skin that is marginally usable on mobile devices. Larry is completely unusable.

Cor

[Michael Heydekamp]

Post by c***@xs4all.nl

Post by A.L.E.C
Indeed, the button was added in Larry skin only. Classic is in
maintenance mode and will be probably removed in 1.4.

I hope there is an alternative voor mobile at that time. Classic is the
only skin that is marginally usable on mobile devices. Larry is completely
unusable.

+1

But even the Classic skin is - as you said - only marginally usable on a
mobile. If I touch the cogwheel for instance - just to use the "Open as new
message" function (or however it is called in the English interface) -
nothing happens, so the function is unusable.

I also desperately tried to move the splitters to no avail. The only result
I achieved is that the position was set to "zero" (i.e. I cuoldn't see any
messages in the message list anymore).

Cheers,

[Michael Heydekamp]

Post by A.L.E.C

Post by Michael Heydekamp
1) Just moving the mouse cursor up and down through the list of messages
makes a "wandering star" appear in the "marked" column which is
vertically moving parallel to the mouse cursor (the arrow below
represents the mouse cursor, but it doesnt matter in which column the

That's not a bug. The icon is "mark as flagged" button.

I know what the icon means, but I don't understand the purpose of displaying
it. It would make at least some sense if it would appear only when the mouse
cursor is placed in the "marked as flagged" column - but which sense does it
make that it does also appear when the mouse cursor is placed in any other
column (as I clearly described)? If I click on the message in the latter
case, nothing happens (except that - as usual - the message gets
highlighted).

Furthermore, when I place the mouse cursor in the "read/unread" column (the
one with the blue dot), BOTH icons are shown when moving the mouse up and
down.

Sorry, I don't get the purpose. Please explain.

Post by A.L.E.C

Post by Michael Heydekamp
2) The HTML editor is all of a sudden lacking of the faclity to create

That's not an intentional change. The buttons have been lost with update
to newer TinyMCE version. Something to look at.

Yes, please. But I don't really get it that such a significant glitch can
make it into a beta "release" (and that even nobody did report it yet).

Post by A.L.E.C

Post by Michael Heydekamp
3) In 1.3 beta release, I'm not able to subscribe/unsubscribe any
folders anymore, as the appropriate checkboxes are simply not displayed.

Works for me. Did you try with different browser? Maybe some plugins are
not compatible with 1.3?

Yes, I did test it with Edge - same result.

But as I explained, it DOES work with my private account (which has shorter
folder names), therefore plugins can't be the issue here, right? Did YOU try
it with longer folder names...?

Post by A.L.E.C

Post by Michael Heydekamp
4) In the changelog
<https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/wiki/Changelog> of 1.3, I
did find this: /"Added Search button in quick search menus (#5312
<https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/issues/5312>)"/
I'm not seeing any such added search button - where would I have to look
for it...?

Indeed, the button was added in Larry skin only.

Then this should be clearly documented.

Post by A.L.E.C
Classic is in maintenance mode and will be probably removed in 1.4.

PLEASE DON'T DO THAT (unless you are inventing an even better UI than the
classic skin).

Cheers,

[Michael Heydekamp]

Post by Michael Heydekamp

Post by A.L.E.C
That's not a bug. The icon is "mark as flagged" button.

I know what the icon means, but I don't understand the purpose of displaying
it.

What I mean, is: I know what the icon means, but I don't understand the
purpose of displaying it ALWAYS - no matter in which column the mouse cursor
is placed.

I said that before in my initial message ("the arrow below represents the
mouse cursor, but it doesnt matter in which column the mouse cursor is
placed"), but apparently it has not been realized.

BTW: The stable 1.2.3 is behaving 100% correctly in this respect. Why do get
things broken which did work perfectly before? And why does nobody notice it
BEFORE announcing a (beta) release? <sigh>

Cheers,

[c***@xs4all.nl]

Post by Michael Heydekamp

Post by Michael Heydekamp

Post by A.L.E.C
That's not a bug. The icon is "mark as flagged" button.

I know what the icon means, but I don't understand the purpose of displaying
it.

What I mean, is: I know what the icon means, but I don't understand the
purpose of displaying it ALWAYS - no matter in which column the mouse cursor
is placed.
I said that before in my initial message ("the arrow below represents the
mouse cursor, but it doesnt matter in which column the mouse cursor is
placed"), but apparently it has not been realized.
BTW: The stable 1.2.3 is behaving 100% correctly in this respect.

I see the exact same behavior on 1.2.3 with the flag column. I have never heard a single peep from anyone about how terrible that it.

Post by Michael Heydekamp
Why do get
things broken which did work perfectly before? And why does nobody notice it
BEFORE announcing a (beta) release? <sigh>

I think you completely misunderstand the purpose of a beta, and even more, the relationship between you and the developers of roundcube.

cor

[Michael Heydekamp]

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
I see the exact same behavior on 1.2.3 with the flag column.

I can't believe that, sorry.

So, you place your mouse cursor say in the Subject column. Then you move it
up-/downwards. And then you're really seeing this "wandering star" in the
flag column at the very left (in 1.2.3, with Classic skin)?

If so, which browser? With FF and Edge and 1.2.3, I can't replicate your
behaviour.

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
I have never heard a single peep from anyone about how terrible that it.

Of course not, as it has never been the case prior to 1.3. And of course,
this is neither the only, nor the most disturbing, nor the most important
issue of all, but it is one. I have mentioned others (of more importance) as
well.

Post by c***@xs4all.nl

Why do get things broken which did work perfectly before? And why does nobody notice it
BEFORE announcing a (beta) release? <sigh>

I think you completely misunderstand the purpose of a beta, and even more,
the relationship between you and the developers of roundcube.

Feel free to think what you like.

But if you want to listen to some facts: I have been the maintainer of a
freeware e-mail client for years as well. OK, that was in the "good ol'
days" of DOS/16 and Borland Pascal, but it was the case. So I'm very well
aware of the "relationship between the users and the developers" (incl. me)
of this kind of software.

The main difference just was (and I mentioned that more than once already
years before in this list): I did TEST (before committing anything) and USE
this software myself on a daily, no, even hourly basis. And of course we had
bugs, but nobody did find that many as me myself. Unfortunately, this isn't
the case with Roundcube and it's devs.

Most people and devs here are posting with Thunderbird, Apple Mail (that is
you) or undeclared user agents. But if you're using Roundcube as your one
and only mail client (which I'm doing for years now), you may have a
different view how it should work in detail (and how it should be tested
before being released).

Cheers,

[c***@xs4all.nl]

Post by Michael Heydekamp

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
I see the exact same behavior on 1.2.3 with the flag column.

I can't believe that, sorry.
So, you place your mouse cursor say in the Subject column. Then you move it
up-/downwards. And then you're really seeing this "wandering star" in the
flag column at the very left (in 1.2.3, with Classic skin)?
If so, which browser? With FF and Edge and 1.2.3, I can't replicate your
behaviour.

In the larry skin, but I assume the same arguments apply.

Post by Michael Heydekamp

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
I have never heard a single peep from anyone about how terrible that it.

Of course not, as it has never been the case prior to 1.3. And of course,
this is neither the only, nor the most disturbing, nor the most important
issue of all, but it is one. I have mentioned others (of more importance) as
well.

It has. It does it right there in the Larry skin.

Post by Michael Heydekamp

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
I think you completely misunderstand the purpose of a beta, and even more,
the relationship between you and the developers of roundcube.

Feel free to think what you like.
But if you want to listen to some facts: I have been the maintainer of a
freeware e-mail client for years as well. OK, that was in the "good ol'
days" of DOS/16 and Borland Pascal, but it was the case. So I'm very well
aware of the "relationship between the users and the developers" (incl. me)
of this kind of software.
The main difference just was (and I mentioned that more than once already
years before in this list): I did TEST (before committing anything) and USE
this software myself on a daily, no, even hourly basis. And of course we had
bugs, but nobody did find that many as me myself. Unfortunately, this isn't
the case with Roundcube and it's devs.
Most people and devs here are posting with Thunderbird, Apple Mail (that is
you) or undeclared user agents. But if you're using Roundcube as your one
and only mail client (which I'm doing for years now), you may have a
different view how it should work in detail (and how it should be tested
before being released).

It wasnt released. It was a beta. Hence my remarks that you dont seem to understand the word beta. If you feel utterly devestated by these glaring faults, dont use a beta. It would be fine if you would just mention these bugs and be done with it, but you’re just being rude.

Cor

[Michael Heydekamp]

I can't believe that, sorry.

So, you place your mouse cursor say in the Subject column. Then you move it
up-/downwards. And then you're really seeing this "wandering star" in the
flag column at the very left (in 1.2.3, with Classic skin)?

If so, which browser? With FF and Edge and 1.2.3, I can't replicate your
behaviour.
In the larry skin, but I assume the same arguments apply.
Don't assume, just test.

Post by c***@xs4all.nl

Post by Michael Heydekamp
Most people and devs here are posting with Thunderbird, Apple Mail (that is
you) or undeclared user agents. But if you're using Roundcube as your one
and only mail client (which I'm doing for years now), you may have a
different view how it should work in detail (and how it should be tested
before being released).

It wasnt released.

No? Oh, well...

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
Dear subscribers, we wish you all a happy new year!
Today we published the BETA RELEASE of the next major version 1.3 of Roundcube webmail.
[...]
We're keen to hear your feedback about the new RELEASE.
Best,
Thomas & Alec

You may want to search for the term "release" in the quote above. But for
your convenience, I have converted this message to HTML to make your life
easier.

Plus that I did quote exactly the above a few messages before already (and
even highlighted the terms "beta release" and "release" for a reason), so
you could have been aware of it.

I did not use the term "release" accidentally.

BTW: The timestamp of your machine is wrong. I didn't write my previous
message on 13 Feb 22:09, but on 14 Feb 03:09.

Cheers,

[Reindl Harald]

Post by Michael Heydekamp

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
It wasnt released.

No? Oh, well...

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
Dear subscribers, we wish you all a happy new year!
Today we published the *beta release* of the next major version 1.3 of
Roundcube webmail.
[...]
We're keen to hear your feedback about the new *release*.
Best,
Thomas & Alec

You may want to search for the term "release" in the quote above. But
for your convenience, I have converted this message to HTML to make your
life easier

it is declared as beta and if you install a beta while using roundcube
as your one and only mail client leading to get that frustrated than you
are not very smart to say it polite

Post by Michael Heydekamp
BTW: The timestamp of your machine is wrong.
I didn't write my previous message on 13 Feb 22:09,
but on 14 Feb 03:09

you heard about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone

[c***@xs4all.nl]

Post by Michael Heydekamp
Don't assume, just test.

I mean, it does this exact same thing in Larry in 1.2.3, and probably for many versions, and I haven’t heard anthing from our 100.000+ users that they think that’s confusing. And I assumed it wouldnt matter to your level of anger if it was classic or larry.

You know the story about a woman in the US burning her hands because of McDonalds coffee. And because of incidents like those companies put things on their devices like “Do need eat this toy car, may cause suffucation”.

I think the roundcube developers just thought that didnt need to put disclaimers down because it would be obvious. Little did they know.

Cor

[Reindl Harald]

Post by Michael Heydekamp

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
If this is such a problem for you that it needs an urgent fix, please stop
using the git development branch. Just use a stable branch.
Dear subscribers, we wish you all a happy new year!
Today we published the beta release of the next major version 1.3 of
Roundcube webmail.
We're keen to hear your feedback about the new release

If feedback is requested for a specific version, I have to use this version,
right? If I shall not use it, then I can't give any feedback.

yes, *that* tagged version and not the GIT master

Post by Michael Heydekamp

Post by c***@xs4all.nl
If you insist, at your own perit, in using a development branch, then please
keep any reports constructive.

How more constructive than "completely broken/unusable" can I be if that is
the case...? It's simply dysfunctional, can't access almost anything

"Please test your stuff before committing it" was your message, well,
please test the random GIT head so that it works basically before put it
in production - that's what staging systems are for and nobody even
blows a announced stable release without staging-testing on the
production server